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Official Discussion Thread for "Meet the Character—Wormblood"

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    metheglyn wrote: »
    Right, right, my mistake. Well, I suppose you are as ready as anyone could be, then. Just don't end up like Morian Zenas. I think the Bosmer would miss you.

    I'm more concerned about his well-being. Not to offend you, little Bosmer, but we both know that Bosmer's instincts tend to weaken when they leave the woods for too long. I've heard of especially tragic cases of Bosmer who moved to Alinor; after just one year, they ate only cake and lived in the handbags of wealthy Altmer noblewomen.
    metheglyn wrote: »
    I wouldn't know anything about such an alchemist. And we're getting ahead of the matter, as it were. Galerion, at least last I saw him, wasn't a zombie. Whatever Wormblood has in store for him, dating probably doesn't enter into it. Assuming Wormblood is both behind his capture and isn't Mannimarco.

    I do suspect it's Mannimarco though, so this is going to be a date, from his perspective, at least. And that's totally valid! Please respect necromancer culture!
    @Syldras | PC | EU
    The forceful expression of will gives true honor to the Ancestors.
    Sarayn Andrethi, Telvanni mage (Main)
    Darvasa Andrethi, his "I'm NOT a Necromancer!" sister
    Malacar Sunavarlas, Altmer Ayleid vampire
    Soris Rethandus, a Sleeper not yet awake
  • metheglyn
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    Syldras wrote: »
    metheglyn wrote: »
    Right, right, my mistake. Well, I suppose you are as ready as anyone could be, then. Just don't end up like Morian Zenas. I think the Bosmer would miss you.

    I'm more concerned about his well-being. Not to offend you, little Bosmer, but we both know that Bosmer's instincts tend to weaken when they leave the woods for too long. I've heard of especially tragic cases of Bosmer who moved to Alinor; after just one year, they ate only cake and lived in the handbags of wealthy Altmer noblewomen.

    Wait a minute, how long has he been away from the woods? And don't you have some property you can convert to a woods-like setting for him?
    Syldras wrote: »
    metheglyn wrote: »
    I wouldn't know anything about such an alchemist. And we're getting ahead of the matter, as it were. Galerion, at least last I saw him, wasn't a zombie. Whatever Wormblood has in store for him, dating probably doesn't enter into it. Assuming Wormblood is both behind his capture and isn't Mannimarco.

    I do suspect it's Mannimarco though, so this is going to be a date, from his perspective, at least. And that's totally valid! Please respect necromancer culture!

    So what's necromancer culture's tenet about dating the living?

    On a serious (or less frivolous) note, what kind of date do you think Mannimarco would be? I mean, all I've ever seen of him is his bombastic side, so full of himself he thinks nothing and no one can stop him. Oh, except that flashback when he has at least one iota of thought/caring for Vanus.

    I don't know when, exactly, he came up with his ascend to godhood scheme, but he must have some manner of charm or persuasion to convince Varen and the others to include him in their group. What was his role in the five companions? Advisor? Magical mastery? Eye candy? He probably didn't let them know he was all into necromancy.

    The prophet spins a little tale about how Mannimarco duped them all, but gives few details as to how. It can't be as simple as Mannimarco saying, "So there's this amulet," and everyone else going, "Yeah!" How charming can this King of Worms be?
    Edited by metheglyn on May 24, 2025 5:27PM
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    metheglyn wrote: »
    Wait a minute, how long has he been away from the woods? And don't you have some property you can convert to a woods-like setting for him?

    I mean, it's not that I didn't notice that he'd might need an a little more Bosmer-appropriate environment - when he began to climb my bookshelves - , but... By now, he needs help brushing his hair (or maybe he only pretends to do because he's lazy, I don't know). Does that answer your question?
    metheglyn wrote: »
    So what's necromancer culture's tenet about dating the living?

    What makes you think I could have ever courted a necromancer? Do I seem like such a person?
    metheglyn wrote: »
    On a serious (or less frivolous) note,

    Doesn't sound like that :p
    metheglyn wrote: »
    what kind of date do you think Mannimarco would be? I mean, all I've ever seen of him is his bombastic side, so full of himself he thinks nothing and no one can stop him. Oh, except that flashback when he has at least one iota of thought/caring for Vanus.
    I don't know when, exactly, he came up with his ascend to godhood scheme, but he must have some manner of charm or persuasion to convince Varen and the others to include him in their group.

    I think he can be very charming, and that we probably need to distinguish between situations where he was utilizing his charms to gain trust, and actual affection (which I think it truly was in case of Galerion - but it's a side rarely shown).
    metheglyn wrote: »
    What was his role in the five companions? Advisor? Magical mastery? Eye candy? He probably didn't let them know he was all into necromancy.

    While I think he's actually handsome (let's ignore the necromancer smell for now), I think he was the scholar/wizard/advisor of their LARP group band of adventurers. Also, he was the only one who knew (or claimed to know) the Dragonfire ritual. Whether the others knew he had knowledge in necromancy? Who knows (which could stain their positive reputation then)... Maybe they did, but they just needed him because of the ritual? Could they really have been totally unaware about who he is, no matter what they claim now? Hard to say (and I don't remember the flashbacks of the main quest well enough after several years, to be honest).
    @Syldras | PC | EU
    The forceful expression of will gives true honor to the Ancestors.
    Sarayn Andrethi, Telvanni mage (Main)
    Darvasa Andrethi, his "I'm NOT a Necromancer!" sister
    Malacar Sunavarlas, Altmer Ayleid vampire
    Soris Rethandus, a Sleeper not yet awake
  • metheglyn
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    Syldras wrote: »
    metheglyn wrote: »
    Wait a minute, how long has he been away from the woods? And don't you have some property you can convert to a woods-like setting for him?

    I mean, it's not that I didn't notice that he'd might need an a little more Bosmer-appropriate environment - when he began to climb my bookshelves - , but... By now, he needs help brushing his hair (or maybe he only pretends to do because he's lazy, I don't know). Does that answer your question?

    I mean, not really. *considers staging a rescue operation*
    Syldras wrote: »
    metheglyn wrote: »
    So what's necromancer culture's tenet about dating the living?

    What makes you think I could have ever courted a necromancer? Do I seem like such a person?

    I wouldn't presume to guess who you might have ever courted, but you did seem to have some manner of insight on necromancer culture...somehow.
    Syldras wrote: »
    metheglyn wrote: »
    what kind of date do you think Mannimarco would be? I mean, all I've ever seen of him is his bombastic side, so full of himself he thinks nothing and no one can stop him. Oh, except that flashback when he has at least one iota of thought/caring for Vanus.
    I don't know when, exactly, he came up with his ascend to godhood scheme, but he must have some manner of charm or persuasion to convince Varen and the others to include him in their group.

    I think he can be very charming, and that we probably need to distinguish between situations where he was utilizing his charms to gain trust, and actual affection (which I think it truly was in case of Galerion - but it's a side rarely shown).

    It wouldn't surprise me to learn that Galerion is the only one to whom he was ever sincerely charming and any other time his charm was deployed it was calculated to get him what he wanted. I mean, Galerion was really surprised Mannimarco convinced the ritemaster to let them use the place that later became known as the Traitor's Vault. That must have taken a good amount of calculated charm and persuasive skills.
    Syldras wrote: »
    metheglyn wrote: »
    What was his role in the five companions? Advisor? Magical mastery? Eye candy? He probably didn't let them know he was all into necromancy.

    While I think he's actually handsome (let's ignore the necromancer smell for now), I think he was the scholar/wizard/advisor of their LARP group band of adventurers. Also, he was the only one who knew (or claimed to know) the Dragonfire ritual. Whether the others knew he had knowledge in necromancy? Who knows (which could stain their positive reputation then)... Maybe they did, but they just needed him because of the ritual? Could they really have been totally unaware about who he is, no matter what they claim now? Hard to say (and I don't remember the flashbacks of the main quest well enough after several years, to be honest).

    Oh, I find him handsome as well, and he certainly stands out amongst that particular group. But mainly I was wondering because Abnur Tharn is also in the group, so that makes two scholar/wizard/advisor types and Tharn, for all his knowledge and magical know-how, didn't seem to suspect a thing. Or if he did, he kept it to himself--which would track, being as he is all about the sanctity of the empire first and everything else after that. He must have believed the Dragonfire ritual was the real deal, which says something about the level of trust he placed in Mannimarco or his blindness to the situation.

    I believe Mannimarco fully capable of inserting himself into their group and gaining their trust, I just would have liked to have seen that progression when the prophet was giving me my plane-meld lesson. It's been awhile since I went through that quest, too, though I do have a character or two I could put through it just to see if there is anything interesting I'm not recalling.

    In the present, none of the other of the five companions says much about him except to call him a traitor and etc.

    Although now, thanks to you, I imagine the five of them getting together on their days off to go LARPing in the local park.
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    metheglyn wrote: »
    I mean, not really. *considers staging a rescue operation*

    There's no need to rescue him, he enjoys it here. It's no case of Windhelm Syndrome, I assure you.
    metheglyn wrote: »
    I wouldn't presume to guess who you might have ever courted, but you did seem to have some manner of insight on necromancer culture...somehow.

    It was joke, of course. The better question is: Who has not courted a necromancer yet? The question is not if, but how many. But it's inappropriate to ask a Telvanni that.
    metheglyn wrote: »
    It wouldn't surprise me to learn that Galerion is the only one to whom he was ever sincerely charming and any other time his charm was deployed it was calculated to get him what he wanted. I mean, Galerion was really surprised Mannimarco convinced the ritemaster to let them use the place that later became known as the Traitor's Vault. That must have taken a good amount of calculated charm and persuasive skills.

    This is actually a good point. I think that's basically the way he get through life. You'd probably need some charisma to become a cult leader.
    metheglyn wrote: »
    But mainly I was wondering because Abnur Tharn is also in the group, so that makes two scholar/wizard/advisor types and Tharn, for all his knowledge and magical know-how, didn't seem to suspect a thing. Or if he did, he kept it to himself--which would track, being as he is all about the sanctity of the empire first and everything else after that. He must have believed the Dragonfire ritual was the real deal, which says something about the level of trust he placed in Mannimarco or his blindness to the situation.
    I believe Mannimarco fully capable of inserting himself into their group and gaining their trust, I just would have liked to have seen that progression when the prophet was giving me my plane-meld lesson. It's been awhile since I went through that quest, too, though I do have a character or two I could put through it just to see if there is anything interesting I'm not recalling.
    In the present, none of the other of the five companions says much about him except to call him a traitor and etc.

    Who knows what actually was the case; it's not like the companions necessarily tell us the whole truth either. (And again I honestly believe we might be thinking too much about plausibilities here.)
    @Syldras | PC | EU
    The forceful expression of will gives true honor to the Ancestors.
    Sarayn Andrethi, Telvanni mage (Main)
    Darvasa Andrethi, his "I'm NOT a Necromancer!" sister
    Malacar Sunavarlas, Altmer Ayleid vampire
    Soris Rethandus, a Sleeper not yet awake
  • metheglyn
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    Syldras wrote: »
    metheglyn wrote: »
    I mean, not really. *considers staging a rescue operation*

    There's no need to rescue him, he enjoys it here. It's no case of Windhelm Syndrome, I assure you.

    Oh, ok. When you put it like that. *pulls out map of Vvardenfell and begins calculating travel routes*
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    metheglyn wrote: »
    I wouldn't presume to guess who you might have ever courted, but you did seem to have some manner of insight on necromancer culture...somehow.

    It was joke, of course. The better question is: Who has not courted a necromancer yet? The question is not if, but how many. But it's inappropriate to ask a Telvanni that.

    *Turns to new page in journal and adds to list headed How to talk to Telvanni.*
    Syldras wrote: »
    metheglyn wrote: »
    But mainly I was wondering because Abnur Tharn is also in the group, so that makes two scholar/wizard/advisor types and Tharn, for all his knowledge and magical know-how, didn't seem to suspect a thing. Or if he did, he kept it to himself--which would track, being as he is all about the sanctity of the empire first and everything else after that. He must have believed the Dragonfire ritual was the real deal, which says something about the level of trust he placed in Mannimarco or his blindness to the situation.
    I believe Mannimarco fully capable of inserting himself into their group and gaining their trust, I just would have liked to have seen that progression when the prophet was giving me my plane-meld lesson. It's been awhile since I went through that quest, too, though I do have a character or two I could put through it just to see if there is anything interesting I'm not recalling.
    In the present, none of the other of the five companions says much about him except to call him a traitor and etc.

    Who knows what actually was the case; it's not like the companions necessarily tell us the whole truth either. (And again I honestly believe we might be thinking too much about plausibilities here.)

    Yeah, probably. I can't help it, though. I often want to know the why and how. And I know for a fact the companions aren't exactly strict adherents to the truth, with the whole, "I'm just a feeble old prophet" stunt he and Lyris pulled.
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    metheglyn wrote: »
    Oh, ok. When you put it like that. *pulls out map of Vvardenfell and begins calculating travel routes*

    You can't kidnap him, he's busy writing! How is he supposed to write Tamriel's next best-selling necromancer's romance novel when you put him into a sack and then into a cart and abduct him to who knows where?!
    metheglyn wrote: »
    Yeah, probably. I can't help it, though. I often want to know the why and how.

    Wondering about logic too much often leads to plot holes; both in fiction as well as in the real world.
    @Syldras | PC | EU
    The forceful expression of will gives true honor to the Ancestors.
    Sarayn Andrethi, Telvanni mage (Main)
    Darvasa Andrethi, his "I'm NOT a Necromancer!" sister
    Malacar Sunavarlas, Altmer Ayleid vampire
    Soris Rethandus, a Sleeper not yet awake
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    Syldras wrote: »
    Well, there actually were a few complaints in the past. Fortunately, since I hired that one Orc... what was his name? Bash gro-Bonk or something? Anyway, since he's here, everyone seems to be much happier. No complaints anymore, at all.

    *pats own stomach and yawns contentedly* Bash go who?
    Syldras wrote: »

    @ArchangelIsraphel Bosmer, go fetch a sack, we'll catch a new friend for you! Don't eat him - I said "friend", not "jerky"!

    Oh boy! We're going on a field trip! *Skips off to retrieve a extremely suspicious looking, hand sewn bag, conveniently sized to, say, fit a cultist fit anything a Telvanni Mage might request*
    metheglyn wrote: »
    You see, this is how Mora gets you. The tentacles undulate, you get a little too calm, and then you're little better than a hireling he uses on endless drudgery tasks. Though I do believe that if anyone can survive, er, I mean enjoy a date with Mora, it'd be someone from House Telvanni. You might even get home with your sanity intact!

    *Whispers* He hasn't got any! Neither do I, but we don't discuss that

    metheglyn wrote: »
    Right, right, my mistake. Well, I suppose you are as ready as anyone could be, then. Just don't end up like Morian Zenas. I think the Bosmer would miss you.

    Of course I would! Who else will go shopping for sausages and roasted kwama scribs if not the mage?
    Syldras wrote: »
    I mean, it's not that I didn't notice that he'd might need an a little more Bosmer-appropriate environment - when he began to climb my bookshelves - , but... By now, he needs help brushing his hair (or maybe he only pretends to do because he's lazy, I don't know). Does that answer your question?

    I am absolutely not lazy! I'm a hard working bosmer. I don't know what you're talking about!

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    Also, the tops of your bookshelves are getting dusty. I think you need someone tall to clean them. *nods sagely*
    metheglyn wrote: »
    Oh, ok. When you put it like that. *pulls out map of Vvardenfell and begins calculating travel routes*

    So here's the thing- I actually came to his Tower one day and wouldn't go away. I mean, this place practically used to be a 24 hour bosmer hotel! But since he hasn't gotten a new hair-brushing servant, I definitely feel I'm in need of rescue. The conditions here are positively inhumane, expecting me to lift a hair brush all by my tiny little bosmer self. ;_; Heeelp! HELP!
    Syldras wrote: »
    You can't kidnap him, he's busy writing! How is he supposed to write Tamriel's next best-selling necromancer's romance novel when you put him into a sack and then into a cart and abduct him to who knows where?!
    .

    Yes. Busy! So busy busy. *pours another coconut full of Jagga*

    (Although in all seriousness, I'm taking notes on some of the things said in this thread to implement as ideas. I'll reply to some more seriously in a bit!

    Also, you both made me laugh so hard, I nearly drowned swallowing tea the wrong way :D See, I told you that teakettle was dangerous!)

    Legends never die
    They're written down in eternity
    But you'll never see the price it costs
    The scars collected all their lives
    When everything's lost, they pick up their hearts and avenge defeat
    Before it all starts, they suffer through harm just to touch a dream
    Oh, pick yourself up, 'cause
    Legends never die
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    Syldras wrote: »
    metheglyn wrote: »
    Oh, ok. When you put it like that. *pulls out map of Vvardenfell and begins calculating travel routes*

    You can't kidnap him, he's busy writing! How is he supposed to write Tamriel's next best-selling necromancer's romance novel when you put him into a sack and then into a cart and abduct him to who knows where?!

    I wasn't going to kidnap, I was going to rescue him, and I was going to take him to one of my properties that I'm pretty sure is close to a forest. Or at least has some trees planted in orderly rows. But now that I see he's more or less enjoying himself, maybe I'll just use my contacts to see if they can find an automated hair-brushing device he can use, since that seems to be his single complaint. It seems like something the Dwemer probably came up with, or maybe Barilzar can whip up something to serve the purpose.
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    metheglyn wrote: »
    You see, this is how Mora gets you. The tentacles undulate, you get a little too calm, and then you're little better than a hireling he uses on endless drudgery tasks. Though I do believe that if anyone can survive, er, I mean enjoy a date with Mora, it'd be someone from House Telvanni. You might even get home with your sanity intact!

    *Whispers* He hasn't got any! Neither do I, but we don't discuss that

    Yes, I'm beginning to understand. *makes more notes in journal under heading When Bosmer meet Telvanni*
    ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »
    metheglyn wrote: »
    Oh, ok. When you put it like that. *pulls out map of Vvardenfell and begins calculating travel routes*

    So here's the thing- I actually came to his Tower one day and wouldn't go away. I mean, this place practically used to be a 24 hour bosmer hotel! But since he hasn't gotten a new hair-brushing servant, I definitely feel I'm in need of rescue. The conditions here are positively inhumane, expecting me to lift a hair brush all by my tiny little bosmer self. ;_; Heeelp! HELP!

    Working on it!
    Syldras wrote: »
    metheglyn wrote: »
    Yeah, probably. I can't help it, though. I often want to know the why and how.

    Wondering about logic too much often leads to plot holes; both in fiction as well as in the real world.

    Yeah, that's true. So many plot holes.

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    ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »
    *pats own stomach and yawns contentedly* Bash go who?

    Okay, I see, I have to go to the market again... Do we need anything else? A few sausages maybe? Or some Bosmer snacks? I heard they offer them with Khajiit flavour now. And after that, we'll get the cultist. But promise me to not eat him, right?
    metheglyn wrote: »
    maybe I'll just use my contacts to see if they can find an automated hair-brushing device he can use, since that seems to be his single complaint. It seems like something the Dwemer probably came up with, or maybe Barilzar can whip up something to serve the purpose.

    I suggest you to venture into the Dwemer ruin of Arkngthunch-Sturdumz. I'm very certain you'll find that item there; and while you're at it, please fetch me
    2 Dwarven coherers
    5 cylinders
    6 tubes
    and a few cogs (as many as you can carry).
    ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »
    (Although in all seriousness, I'm taking notes on some of the things said in this thread to implement as ideas.

    I knew the part about Bosmer living in Altmer handbags was a wonderful idea!
    ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »
    Also, you both made me laugh so hard, I nearly drowned swallowing tea the wrong way :D See, I told you that teakettle was dangerous!)

    What kind of tea was it?
    @Syldras | PC | EU
    The forceful expression of will gives true honor to the Ancestors.
    Sarayn Andrethi, Telvanni mage (Main)
    Darvasa Andrethi, his "I'm NOT a Necromancer!" sister
    Malacar Sunavarlas, Altmer Ayleid vampire
    Soris Rethandus, a Sleeper not yet awake
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    Syldras wrote: »
    metheglyn wrote: »
    maybe I'll just use my contacts to see if they can find an automated hair-brushing device he can use, since that seems to be his single complaint. It seems like something the Dwemer probably came up with, or maybe Barilzar can whip up something to serve the purpose.

    I suggest you to venture into the Dwemer ruin of Arkngthunch-Sturdumz. I'm very certain you'll find that item there; and while you're at it, please fetch me
    2 Dwarven coherers
    5 cylinders
    6 tubes
    and a few cogs (as many as you can carry).

    *Makes note of ruin on map*
    *Starts to copy down list of items*

    Uh, wait a minute. *frowns* How did I get roped into running your errands?
    Syldras wrote: »
    ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »
    Also, you both made me laugh so hard, I nearly drowned swallowing tea the wrong way :D See, I told you that teakettle was dangerous!)

    What kind of tea was it?

    I'm curious, too. I'm a tea-drinker myself.

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    metheglyn wrote: »
    *Makes note of ruin on map*
    *Starts to copy down list of items*
    Uh, wait a minute. *frowns* How did I get roped into running your errands?

    Must be my charms.
    metheglyn wrote: »
    I'm curious, too. I'm a tea-drinker myself.

    I had a Lapsang souchong earlier. For the morning, I'll probably go for some type of Oolong.
    @Syldras | PC | EU
    The forceful expression of will gives true honor to the Ancestors.
    Sarayn Andrethi, Telvanni mage (Main)
    Darvasa Andrethi, his "I'm NOT a Necromancer!" sister
    Malacar Sunavarlas, Altmer Ayleid vampire
    Soris Rethandus, a Sleeper not yet awake
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    Syldras wrote: »
    metheglyn wrote: »
    *Makes note of ruin on map*
    *Starts to copy down list of items*
    Uh, wait a minute. *frowns* How did I get roped into running your errands?

    Must be my charms.

    Charms like spell trinkets? How did one of those end up in my satchel?
    Syldras wrote: »
    metheglyn wrote: »
    I'm curious, too. I'm a tea-drinker myself.

    I had a Lapsang souchong earlier. For the morning, I'll probably go for some type of Oolong.

    Lapsang souchong is a pretty bold tea; good, but a little too smoky for my taste on its own. I do like the Russian Caravan blend, which has lapsang souchong in it. My absolute favorite is Earl Grey, but Scottish Breakfast is pretty high up on the list, too.

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    metheglyn wrote: »
    Charms like spell trinkets? How did one of those end up in my satchel?

    I'll kindly ignore that :p
    metheglyn wrote: »
    Lapsang souchong is a pretty bold tea;

    That's why it's for the evening, when the air grows colder and it gets darker (if that makes any sense to sane other people). I even had a rather eccentric blend with it once, which also included different kinds of incense, both wood and resin. Frankincense, cedar wood, a bit of oud, although that has a really strong aroma. In any way, very unusual, but since I love incense, I also loved that (and yes, I know it probably sounds very wacky to drink molten resin). It's not something for every day, of course. Often, a simple jasmine tea does it as well.
    @Syldras | PC | EU
    The forceful expression of will gives true honor to the Ancestors.
    Sarayn Andrethi, Telvanni mage (Main)
    Darvasa Andrethi, his "I'm NOT a Necromancer!" sister
    Malacar Sunavarlas, Altmer Ayleid vampire
    Soris Rethandus, a Sleeper not yet awake
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    Syldras wrote: »
    metheglyn wrote: »
    Lapsang souchong is a pretty bold tea;

    That's why it's for the evening, when the air grows colder and it gets darker (if that makes any sense to sane other people).

    It makes sense to me (withholding all thoughts of relative sanity). I often choose what type of tea I want based on time of day, season, and weather.
    Syldras wrote: »
    I even had a rather eccentric blend with it once, which also included different kinds of incense, both wood and resin. Frankincense, cedar wood, a bit of oud, although that has a really strong aroma. In any way, very unusual, but since I love incense, I also loved that (and yes, I know it probably sounds very wacky to drink molten resin). It's not something for every day, of course. Often, a simple jasmine tea does it as well.

    Adventurous in tea-drinking, too, I see! I'd not before heard of a tea blend like that. I usually stick to black tea and black tea blends, though I do enjoy a nice cup of green tea now and then. I also sometimes like black tea with a fruit blend--like mango or peach. Those are better in summer, especially when I use them to make sun tea.

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    metheglyn wrote: »
    It makes sense to me (withholding all thoughts of relative sanity). I often choose what type of tea I want based on time of day, season, and weather.

    For me, it often serves as a mood enhancer, and then, the choice often fits the overall atmosphere.
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    Adventurous in tea-drinking, too, I see!

    I enjoy the unusual. And I somehow love everything smoky as well as everything herbal and bitter. It's funny, actually, years ago I remember I laughed about a study with a few friends; the study was about how there's a connection between people liking bitter food and drinks and the personality trait of seeking sensations or adventure :D The reasoning behind it was that a bitter taste was a warning of something being poisonous in nature (and the ability to taste bitterness only developed in humans to be able to detect poison), so people who are not repulsed by it, but even enjoy it,... well.

    So if you want to write a really, really evil character (like, say, a necromancer), let him drink the most bitter tea there is (I'd suggest wormblood wormwood) - some people believe it enhances their evilness ;)
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    Syldras wrote: »
    metheglyn wrote: »
    It makes sense to me (withholding all thoughts of relative sanity). I often choose what type of tea I want based on time of day, season, and weather.

    For me, it often serves as a mood enhancer, and then, the choice often fits the overall atmosphere.
    metheglyn wrote: »
    Adventurous in tea-drinking, too, I see!

    I enjoy the unusual. And I somehow love everything smoky as well as everything herbal and bitter. It's funny, actually, years ago I remember I laughed about a study with a few friends; the study was about how there's a connection between people liking bitter food and drinks and the personality trait of seeking sensations or adventure :D The reasoning behind it was that a bitter taste was a warning of something being poisonous in nature (and the ability to taste bitterness only developed in humans to be able to detect poison), so people who are not repulsed by it, but even enjoy it,... well.

    So if you want to write a really, really evil character (like, say, a necromancer), let him drink the most bitter tea there is (I'd suggest wormblood wormwood) - some people believe it enhances their evilness ;)

    That's an interesting study! Humans spent all that time evolving to be able to literally taste danger and avoid it, and then here come some modern specimens, eagerly throwing that caution to the winds. Of course, probably helps that we have better methods for identifying poisons these days, too.

    I like your evil necromancer=loves bitter tea idea. I wonder which of the teas available to us in Tamriel has the highest bitterness/evil quotient. Maybe Azander could answer that for us.
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    metheglyn wrote: »
    That's an interesting study! Humans spent all that time evolving to be able to literally taste danger and avoid it, and then here come some modern specimens, eagerly throwing that caution to the winds. Of course, probably helps that we have better methods for identifying poisons these days, too.

    What makes it even more interesting, if true, is that it's not deliberate choice, but that some people are just drawn to that naturally. I don't like bitter things because I think "Wow, that's edgy!" (or "That tastes dangerous, I like it" :D ), I just like bitter herbal aromas. Why? I have no clue, really.
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    I like your evil necromancer=loves bitter tea idea. I wonder which of the teas available to us in Tamriel has the highest bitterness/evil quotient. Maybe Azander could answer that for us.

    From the alchemy ingredients in ESO that have a real-world counterpart, I'd indeed say it's wormwood (which I also enjoy, so I know the taste well). Funny, nightshade has a rather sweet taste despite being poisonous; there's a liquor (it's a poisonous plant, but not that poisonous that a glass would kill you), a local speciality in Spain, so yes, I speak from experience. As for mushrooms, mushroom teas do exist in China (don't ask me what health benefits they're supposed to have), but they're not bitter, rather powdery in taste.
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    Syldras wrote: »
    metheglyn wrote: »
    That's an interesting study! Humans spent all that time evolving to be able to literally taste danger and avoid it, and then here come some modern specimens, eagerly throwing that caution to the winds. Of course, probably helps that we have better methods for identifying poisons these days, too.

    What makes it even more interesting, if true, is that it's not deliberate choice, but that some people are just drawn to that naturally. I don't like bitter things because I think "Wow, that's edgy!" (or "That tastes dangerous, I like it" :D ), I just like bitter herbal aromas. Why? I have no clue, really.

    Individual tastes are an interesting subject, because really I think no one does set out to like a certain flavor. They might seek out more of the same type of flavor they initially like, but food preferences are by and large something we don't think about, we just have. This, of course, doesn't include things people like to call 'an acquired taste', which comes across as training yourself to like something.
    Syldras wrote: »
    metheglyn wrote: »
    I like your evil necromancer=loves bitter tea idea. I wonder which of the teas available to us in Tamriel has the highest bitterness/evil quotient. Maybe Azander could answer that for us.

    From the alchemy ingredients in ESO that have a real-world counterpart, I'd indeed say it's wormwood (which I also enjoy, so I know the taste well). Funny, nightshade has a rather sweet taste despite being poisonous; there's a liquor (it's a poisonous plant, but not that poisonous that a glass would kill you), a local speciality in Spain, so yes, I speak from experience. As for mushrooms, mushroom teas do exist in China (don't ask me what health benefits they're supposed to have), but they're not bitter, rather powdery in taste.

    Funny, I wasn't even thinking of the alchemy ingredients (despite you having listed one initially). I was thinking of the provisioning recipes for tea and wondering which of those would be the most bitter. But since a discerning evil necromancer would likely curate his tea from scratch, wormwood wins the bitter stakes.

    Knowing nightshade is poisonous, I never gave it much culinary thought. There's a nightshade vine growing in my neighbor's yard and it has the most gorgeous red berries in the summer. One day I saw some birds happily eating those and I thought, "No, don't do that!" Looked it up online and turns out, the birds knew what they were doing (go figure).
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    @metheglyn @ArchangelIsraphel I told you so:
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    Nah, seriously, I think especially his new robe looks good (I'm sure it will turn up in the crown store later, because obviously not even Tamriel's greatest mage is allowed to look unique)

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    Interesting flavor text, btw.
    Also, I'm glad Galerion is wearing it without the ugly hat.
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    Syldras wrote: »
    @metheglyn @ArchangelIsraphel I told you so:
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    Nah, seriously, I think especially his new robe looks good (I'm sure it will turn up in the crown store later, because obviously not even Tamriel's greatest mage is allowed to look unique)

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    Interesting flavor text, btw.
    Also, I'm glad Galerion is wearing it without the ugly hat.

    I did think of you when I saw it on the crown store showcase. Basically, my thoughts went like this: 1. Syldras was right. 2. Gah, that's a hideous hat. 3. Don't like that color scheme.

    Well, people can try to invoke Galerion's gravitas by playing dress-alike, but they'll fail. Plus, I don't know how you could come anywhere near his demeanor "without all that tedious studying."

    Sidebar, yesterday one of my characters got to the point in the main quest where the companions hold a council after getting the amulet of kings and foiling Mannimarco. And the prophet told me, straight up and with no riddles, that by defeating Mannimarco, we destroyed the Worm Cult's power forever. And I just shook my head at him and thought, "Wrong again, old man."
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    metheglyn wrote: »
    I did think of you when I saw it on the crown store showcase. Basically, my thoughts went like this: 1. Syldras was right. 2. Gah, that's a hideous hat. 3. Don't like that color scheme.
    Well, people can try to invoke Galerion's gravitas by playing dress-alike, but they'll fail. Plus, I don't know how you could come anywhere near his demeanor "without all that tedious studying."

    1. "By the Three, that hat is... (Think of something polite, Syldras...) Something for special occasions. Occasions so special that they hopefully never occur! (Also, does any mage npc in game even wear something similar?)."
    2. "Colors are interesting, too. Maybe that specific raiment was tailored by a Moth Priest?"
    3. "'without tedious studying'... ...
    4. "Also my assessment was right: It's all just labels and 'aesthetics' with no meaning nowdays. Talk about the Death of Subculture again."
    5. "Everything gets sold. Not even the second-greatest mage of Tamriel is allowed to look unique. (In case you wonder: The greatest is a certain Master Syldras from Tel Galen.)"
    6. "It happened faster though than estimated."
    7. "But I was right still. Have to return to the forum thread and flaunt it."

    But what do I know of this, I'm just a Telvanni...

    Nah, seriously: I still think the robe looks nice (dyed in different colors and without that hat), but I'm still not sure what I think about putting something that is supposed to be the special garment of a famous character into the store, especially that early. Also, I would have prefered a flavor text that does not depict studying as generally something horrible and boring.

    (And of course I'm fully aware that tastes differ and some people might like the hat and the colors - absolutely fine with me! I'm also fully aware that not everything has to cater to my individual taste. Just playing the slightly snobbish Telvanni here.)
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    Sidebar, yesterday one of my characters got to the point in the main quest where the companions hold a council after getting the amulet of kings and foiling Mannimarco. And the prophet told me, straight up and with no riddles, that by defeating Mannimarco, we destroyed the Worm Cult's power forever. And I just shook my head at him and thought, "Wrong again, old man."

    I hope you sacrificed him for it.

    Edited by Syldras on May 30, 2025 10:23PM
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    Syldras wrote: »
    metheglyn wrote: »
    I did think of you when I saw it on the crown store showcase. Basically, my thoughts went like this: 1. Syldras was right. 2. Gah, that's a hideous hat. 3. Don't like that color scheme.
    Well, people can try to invoke Galerion's gravitas by playing dress-alike, but they'll fail. Plus, I don't know how you could come anywhere near his demeanor "without all that tedious studying."

    1. "By the Three, that hat is... (Think of something polite, Syldras...) Something for special occasions. Occasions so special that they hopefully never occur! (Also, does any mage npc in game even wear something similar?)."
    2. "Colors are interesting, too. Maybe that specific raiment was tailored by a Moth Priest?"
    3. "'without tedious studying'... ...
    4. "Also my assessment was right: It's all just labels and 'aesthetics' with no meaning nowdays. Talk about the Death of Subculture again."
    5. "Everything gets sold. Not even the second-greatest mage of Tamriel is allowed to look unique. (In case you wonder: The greatest is a certain Master Syldras from Tel Galen.)"
    6. "It happened faster though than estimated."
    7. "But I was right still. Have to return to the forum thread and flaunt it."

    But what do I know of this, I'm just a Telvanni...

    Nah, seriously: I still think the robe looks nice (dyed in different colors and without that hat), but I'm still not sure what I think about putting something that is supposed to be the special garment of a famous character into the store, especially that early. Also, I would have prefered a flavor text that does not depict studying as generally something horrible and boring.

    (And of course I'm fully aware that tastes differ and some people might like the hat and the colors - absolutely fine with me! I'm also fully aware that not everything has to cater to my individual taste. Just playing the slightly snobbish Telvanni here.)

    I've not seen a hat like that before in the game, not even at the Jester's Festival. Mostly it seems the denizens of Tamriel go about hatless. If the Great Mage had shown up in that hat...well...I don't know what I would have done.

    The costume did show up pretty fast in the store, all things considered. And I guess it's just par for the course. We get to copy Naryu's hairstyle and personality, for example, and other famous npc outfits have been available.

    I think I would have preferred it to be unattainable, even though I do really like it and think it's a very fine robe as Galerion wears it (hatless, now and forevermore). However, I don't begrudge anyone the chance to dress their characters like the Great Mage, though I do think they should still study something.

    So...what does the actual greatest mage in Tamriel wear these days? *prepares to take notes for tailor's instruction*
    Syldras wrote: »
    metheglyn wrote: »
    Sidebar, yesterday one of my characters got to the point in the main quest where the companions hold a council after getting the amulet of kings and foiling Mannimarco. And the prophet told me, straight up and with no riddles, that by defeating Mannimarco, we destroyed the Worm Cult's power forever. And I just shook my head at him and thought, "Wrong again, old man."

    I hope you sacrificed him for it.

    Haven't gotten to that part yet; so far I've just got three companions tripping over themselves to be the one chosen to be sacrificed. I feel like they all deserve it and if sacrificing one of them is good, sacrificing all three must be better. I'll see if I can talk Tharn into it when the time comes.

    When I left the harborage after that conversation, who except Vanus Galerion should appear in my path, actually knocking me back with the teleportation spell he used. Didn't even apologize, just said, "We've got work to do!" I said, "Not until you get a haircut and put on some nicer robes!"
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    metheglyn wrote: »
    I've not seen a hat like that before in the game, not even at the Jester's Festival. Mostly it seems the denizens of Tamriel go about hatless.

    Especially mages; after all they have to show you their glorious hair! Long hair accumulates magicka. But don't tell anyone, it's a secret.
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    If the Great Mage had shown up in that hat...well...I don't know what I would have done.

    I would have screamt, cried and thrown that accursed thing into a portal to the Deadlands. And with "that accursed thing" I don't mean Galerion.
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    So...what does the actual greatest mage in Tamriel wear these days?

    Well, currently... nothing. Why would I wear anything while I'm bathing?! My servant types for me.
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    Haven't gotten to that part yet; so far I've just got three companions tripping over themselves to be the one chosen to be sacrificed. I feel like they all deserve it and if sacrificing one of them is good, sacrificing all three must be better. I'll see if I can talk Tharn into it when the time comes.

    You can sacrifice one for that thing and keep the rest for later. It's very handy to have prisoners guests on hand in case you need a human sacrifice. There are many occasions for that after all. Like daedric pacts, boredom, or having a hungry Bosmer at home.
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    Syldras wrote: »
    metheglyn wrote: »
    I've not seen a hat like that before in the game, not even at the Jester's Festival. Mostly it seems the denizens of Tamriel go about hatless.

    Especially mages; after all they have to show you their glorious hair! Long hair accumulates magicka. But don't tell anyone, it's a secret.

    And all this time, I thought it was because they couldn't afford a decent hair-tending servant.
    Syldras wrote: »
    metheglyn wrote: »
    If the Great Mage had shown up in that hat...well...I don't know what I would have done.

    I would have screamt, cried and thrown that accursed thing into a portal to the Deadlands. And with "that accursed thing" I don't mean Galerion.

    *nods* An appropriate reaction. Dare I say, the only reaction. Maybe should have added a little lecture about style.
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    metheglyn wrote: »
    So...what does the actual greatest mage in Tamriel wear these days?

    Well, currently... nothing. Why would I wear anything while I'm bathing?! My servant types for me.

    *makes list*
    Servant for hair-washing
    Servant for hair-brushing
    Servant for typing
    Servant for cleaning the bookshelves
    *wonders how long this list will end up being*
    Syldras wrote: »
    metheglyn wrote: »
    Haven't gotten to that part yet; so far I've just got three companions tripping over themselves to be the one chosen to be sacrificed. I feel like they all deserve it and if sacrificing one of them is good, sacrificing all three must be better. I'll see if I can talk Tharn into it when the time comes.

    You can sacrifice one for that thing and keep the rest for later. It's very handy to have prisoners guests on hand in case you need a human sacrifice. There are many occasions for that after all. Like daedric pacts, boredom, or having a hungry Bosmer at home.

    Good point, good point. Only thing is, if I have them on hand, as you put it, I also have to do something towards keeping them housed and fed, and I just don't know if I'm up for that. Would you be willing to hold on to them for me until such time as I might need their sacrifice...er, services?
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    metheglyn wrote: »
    *nods* An appropriate reaction. Dare I say, the only reaction. Maybe should have added a little lecture about style.

    I'd have suggested him to just ask his ex.
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    *makes list*
    Servant for hair-washing
    Servant for hair-brushing
    Servant for typing
    Servant for cleaning the bookshelves
    *wonders how long this list will end up being*

    And most of them are Bosmer. Bosmer are just so quaint... I mean charming.
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    Good point, good point. Only thing is, if I have them on hand, as you put it, I also have to do something towards keeping them housed and fed, and I just don't know if I'm up for that. Would you be willing to hold on to them for me until such time as I might need their sacrifice...er, services?

    ... Yes, if you can live with the risk of them, uhm, disappearing at times. Of course for reasons unknown to me, or the Bosmer.

    Also, one of my guests even ended up losing his sanity once. Do not worry, nothing of worth was taken.

    It's interesting though. Just a week ago you seemed to be slightly uncomfortable with my habit of impris... uhm "housing" different individuals in my tower. Now you seem to have fully accepted it. Why is that? Have you realized that I'm not an evil wizard after all, but a very friendly and considerate one? I provide my prisoners guests a safe place after all - a safe space where they are not pestered with horrible things like the multifariousness of opinions, unsafe discourse, or freedom of choice. All they're confronted with are the walls of their cell. Nice, cozy, warm in summer and cold in winter - I mean the other way round. Of course. What else would I mean.

    Do not worry about a certain Bosmer, by the way. He's just a little exhausted. I fed him too much forbidden knowledge.
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    Syldras wrote: »
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    *nods* An appropriate reaction. Dare I say, the only reaction. Maybe should have added a little lecture about style.

    I'd have suggested him to just ask his ex.

    Now that's a conversation I'd want to listen in on.
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    Good point, good point. Only thing is, if I have them on hand, as you put it, I also have to do something towards keeping them housed and fed, and I just don't know if I'm up for that. Would you be willing to hold on to them for me until such time as I might need their sacrifice...er, services?

    ... Yes, if you can live with the risk of them, uhm, disappearing at times. Of course for reasons unknown to me, or the Bosmer.

    Also, one of my guests even ended up losing his sanity once. Do not worry, nothing of worth was taken.

    It's interesting though. Just a week ago you seemed to be slightly uncomfortable with my habit of impris... uhm "housing" different individuals in my tower. Now you seem to have fully accepted it. Why is that? Have you realized that I'm not an evil wizard after all, but a very friendly and considerate one? I provide my prisoners guests a safe place after all - a safe space where they are not pestered with horrible things like the multifariousness of opinions, unsafe discourse, or freedom of choice. All they're confronted with are the walls of their cell. Nice, cozy, warm in summer and cold in winter - I mean the other way round. Of course. What else would I mean.

    I...um...I guess I....
    *looks at copious notes and frowns*
    I think I was going to....
    *quickly makes note to look into whether it's possible to be affected by Windhelm Syndrome if not actually a guest prisoner of perpetrator*
    I'm just interested in learning more about Telvanni ways.
    *makes another note to inquire of a priest of Arkay for a cure from whatever magic a Telvanni might impose upon one*
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    Do not worry about a certain Bosmer, by the way. He's just a little exhausted. I fed him too much forbidden knowledge.

    That's right, there was a Bosmer. *consults notebook* And despite his protestations to the contrary, I wasn't quite convinced of his safety. But he said he was fine, and you said he was fine, so...he must be?
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    metheglyn wrote: »
    Now that's a conversation I'd want to listen in on.

    It would digress rather fast, I'd assume.

    I'd been thinking about their relationship again, by the way. No matter how I view it, it all comes to the conclusion that it's been a tragic story for both of them. I could go into detail once more... Maybe later.
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    I...um...I guess I....
    *looks at copious notes and frowns*
    I think I was going to....
    *quickly makes note to look into whether it's possible to be affected by Windhelm Syndrome if not actually a guest prisoner of perpetrator*
    I'm just interested in learning more about Telvanni ways.
    *makes another note to inquire of a priest of Arkay for a cure from whatever magic a Telvanni might impose upon one*

    That's a wise decision, considering our expansion plans. If you already know what we expect, we would not have to teach you.
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    That's right, there was a Bosmer. *consults notebook* And despite his protestations to the contrary, I wasn't quite convinced of his safety. But he said he was fine, and you said he was fine, so...he must be?

    He is. I swear on Saint Vorys! He's just tired after I taught him of obscure rites and secrets undreamt.

    But it's okay if he needs rest. I also have other pastimes, after all. Like listening to my bard. A twee little fl'ah, writes hymns about my glory and sings me heartwarming ballads in the evenings. May I recite him? *clears throat* "Let us welcome the bringer of the end with open arms! Let us adorn the gates to nothingness with blood!" Always brightens my mood.
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    Syldras wrote: »
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    Now that's a conversation I'd want to listen in on.

    It would digress rather fast, I'd assume.

    I'd been thinking about their relationship again, by the way. No matter how I view it, it all comes to the conclusion that it's been a tragic story for both of them. I could go into detail once more... Maybe later.

    I've been thinking about them, too. Ever since I started chatting about them with you and @ArchangelIsraphel I've come to appreciate them more as characters. In game it wasn't until that delve on Artaeum that I really got any inkling of their past relationship, and from the glimpses we saw there, I really wanted to know more. There's so much potential for a really good story there, and I agree that it is, at its core, tragic. If you do feel like going into details, I'd like to hear (well, read) them.
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    I...um...I guess I....
    *looks at copious notes and frowns*
    I think I was going to....
    *quickly makes note to look into whether it's possible to be affected by Windhelm Syndrome if not actually a guest prisoner of perpetrator*
    I'm just interested in learning more about Telvanni ways.
    *makes another note to inquire of a priest of Arkay for a cure from whatever magic a Telvanni might impose upon one*

    That's a wise decision, considering our expansion plans. If you already know what we expect, we would not have to teach you.

    I...I do try to be wise.
    *fills out report for Razum-dar, requesting additional resources and noting that the many Bosmer reported missing are unlikely to be rescued*
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    metheglyn wrote: »
    That's right, there was a Bosmer. *consults notebook* And despite his protestations to the contrary, I wasn't quite convinced of his safety. But he said he was fine, and you said he was fine, so...he must be?

    He is. I swear on Saint Vorys! He's just tired after I taught him of obscure rites and secrets undreamt.

    But it's okay if he needs rest. I also have other pastimes, after all. Like listening to my bard. A twee little fl'ah, writes hymns about my glory and sings me heartwarming ballads in the evenings. May I recite him? *clears throat* "Let us welcome the bringer of the end with open arms! Let us adorn the gates to nothingness with blood!" Always brightens my mood.

    That's...quite the song. Really. Nothing at all about it could possibly give anyone nightmares.
    *adds 'bard' to list of captives/servants*
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    metheglyn wrote: »
    I've been thinking about them, too. Ever since I started chatting about them with you and @ArchangelIsraphel I've come to appreciate them more as characters. In game it wasn't until that delve on Artaeum that I really got any inkling of their past relationship, and from the glimpses we saw there, I really wanted to know more. There's so much potential for a really good story there, and I agree that it is, at its core, tragic. If you do feel like going into details, I'd like to hear (well, read) them.

    They might not ever give us any more details, I'm afraid.

    Anyway, I had been wondering yesterday how much of that what Mannimarco became was actually a horrible consequence of what happened in his youth (as I already wrote somewhere in the other treat, I do believe that he's roughly the same age as Galerion and not an Aldmer from the Merithic Era). After being cast out from Artaeum, what was he supposed to do? Return back to his family after everyone knew what happened, dishonoring them? Who knows what else was at play, how high their hopes in him might have been? Maybe he just couldn't go back. And maybe that angered him even more, how - from his perspective - his life had been ruined. Maybe his interest in necromancy even intensified out of spite. Or maybe he wasn't even angered... But considering he was all alone then... It was certainly a desperate situation. Would be interesting to have details on that, but I doubt we'll ever get them, as that would bring nuance, and I'm not sure if that's something of priority right now, especially if the "baddie" might not seem like some monster anymore then. (The more I think about it, we really know absolutely nothing about Mannimarco's family background. What if Artaeum was the first place where he ever felt at home?)

    I'm of course not saying that anyone else is responsible for Mannimarco's decisions, but that the way he was treated in Artaeum might have contributed to events unfolding tragically. And who knows, maybe Galerion also thought about that? Might he feel guilty in a way? Guilt he could not bring Mannimarco back on a more positive path? And if not that, guilt about not having noticed what Mannimarco was up to fast enough?

    And even if it might sound strange, I think it's possible that both of them felt betrayed by the other. And with betrayal does not only come a feeling of being hurt (or angered), but also self-doubt, wondering whether you have been naive, whether you missed clues, possibly leading to feelings of shame. I think that's an interesting aspect when it comes to the question whether Galerion's grandiose behaviour is real or whether it's a facade. The more I think about it, if it was real, he'd actually not be that different to Mannimarco. Mannimarco gets labeled a megalomaniac so often, but what's with Galerion? Aren't they actually similar, just on different sides when it comes to morals? In any way, they do have some similarities, from my point of view. And their fates certainly are entangled in some tragic situation together, until the end.

    But I'm blabbering again :p
    metheglyn wrote: »
    I...I do try to be wise.
    *fills out report for Razum-dar, requesting additional resources and noting that the many Bosmer reported missing are unlikely to be rescued*

    Why do people always want to steal my Bosmer? Can't they just go buy one at the market (although I heard it's called "Crown Store" nowadays - what a strange name!) and leave me alone? :p
    metheglyn wrote: »
    That's...quite the song. Really. Nothing at all about it could possibly give anyone nightmares.

    I do find it cathartic.
    metheglyn wrote: »
    *adds 'bard' to list of captives/servants*

    "Captive" is such an ugly word! I don't have any captives! I have... uhm... servants who live here freely (I have to emphasize that!), and... uhm... guests. And my lovely apprentice, of course! I esteem him highly. Not only does that little fellow always come up with wonderful new ideas for experiments (like manipulating hist trees so hey might produce something more interesting and probably also more tasty than Argonians, or many different quaint uses for Dwemeri tonal generators), he's also serving me well for a whole decade now, while not being the youngest anymore (Note from the author: See, this is what happens if you waste your youth by spending 20 years in a daedric cult - you'll become an insane wizard's apprentice at age 35 and - will remain one for at least another 20 years. Probably more. I decide when the apprenticeship is over, after all).
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